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Introit: Theme from The Tudors by Trevor Morris
Welcome to Between The Stools on 28th January 2024.
This service is the culmination of a year of mostly British (I aptly wrote Brutish) mostly history, but I’ve had to hold this final sermon/vice in my head all along.
We have gone backwards in time, ending with the pair of first Tudor kings on the birthday of the first (Henry VII, 1457) and the death day of the second (Henry VIII, 1547). Note that the middle digits of those dates are reversed. Given the title of this service as well as chronology, usual logical sense would have begun here. But I’ve trusted that by beginning 2023 with the birthday of another king and choosing dates intuitively by month of events in historic people’s lives, especially anniversary years ending in zero, and dates that fell on a Sunday like today, that a progression would emerge.
The point was to always find a spiritual understanding in the stories of historic people, and their understanding of God (and how often flawed it was), trusting that as the year unfolded, we developed towards a better one.
2023 began with seemingly a non-fit, but I found a link between Job and Elvis that also was a kind of prologue to our theme. I concluded that Job’s understanding of God was an improvement on the prevailing ideology, but for me, still ill-(in) formed. From Patricia Cota Roble’s experience of him, I came to see Elvis – although human – as an embodiment of divine masculine, here for a special purpose which continues, not that the two recent movies would steer you to that conclusion. (Film is the theme of the rest of 2024’s services and so it features often today by way of segueway).
Job also set up the notion of finding favour with God…which we soon recognised in the 16th C.
How do you please God and get him to help you? This implies that God isn’t minded to do so, and you must discern what he wants of you, making it an unequal game of guessing and transactions.
In February, we thought of one trying to live as and demonstrate the divine feminine – Mary Stuart.
I wished to begin the year with what we may wish to forge towards. Today’s title is a twist on Mary Queen of Scots’ saying: in my end is my beginning; or in Scots: En Ma Fin, Git Ma Commencement.
Then we had our Lent ladies. Katherine of Aragon and Mary I’s god was the old god, a god whom you suffered to placate and whom you made others suffer to turn back to. Some wives of Henry VIII (Jane, Anne of Cleves, perhaps Katherine Howard) seemed malleable and tactical in converting to or agreeing with what powerful others thought. Anne Boleyn and Catherine Parr’s God took courage to believe in and involved reforming more than just faith, making this God dangerous. We thought of that more for our July Magdalene service with Jane Grey and Anne Askew.
Henry VIII and all his children thought that you needed firm guidance: the law and, for his protestant progeniture, a single unified prayer book and service. Henry hated extremists – a word we often hear today. Elizabeth wouldn’t ‘make windows into men’s souls’ but expected that you conformed to the church which she controlled on pain of punishment.
Thus we see that for those above, favour is through obedience, giving up, self harm; a God of divisions, where only one side – yours – is the right one.
We went back in time for a trio of special anniversaries, thinking of Julian of Norwich’s radical book, and Etheldreda of Ely who seemed to be more of the conventional way. We looked at Julian’s contemporary Margery Kempe who commendably lampooned the church and beliefs of her day; whereas Martin Luther did too, ‘his’ reformation wasn’t so far fetching. Like Job, for him, rightness with God was based around law, and although different to the status quo, faith following Luther remained hierarchical and established.
At JFK’s anniversary in November, we saw a man who changed, and a man who many think died for the change he wished to implement. We also saw that the Kennedys – a dynasty like the Tudors with an ongoing legacy – may be more complex and less admirable than overt popular opinion.
At Christmas, we considered long range biblical prophecies fulfilled. The Tudors were expecting a boy child – they actually got a female prince – but no-one of that family was a messiah or Christlike. Yet their history can be seen as an expected anointed promised child to lead them; the events of their reign were a watershed for faith and politics. And those events culminate today.
Prayer as we move into our main service.
Henry VII
In August, we thought of Richard III, with a famous play, two museums, and a film last year and a passionate society. Now we consider the other side of the coin. I’m not aware of a dramatised screen or stage adaptation of Henry VII’s life. “I’m the original Tudor,” he sang to an electrified lute, kicking be-breeched legs in York’s medieval Bar museum, trying to draw attention to an oft overlooked monarch. The TV adaptation of Philippa Gregory’s White Queen ended with the boy Henry becoming a man to take the throne in battle, egged on by his mother. Thus Henry was a passive pawn in this adaptation for Margaret Beaufort, the Red Queen, who exemplified the old kind of piety. She’s shown as a religious obsessive, who demands to God that things go her way, and cries at him when they seem not to. She is sure that she has heard that God will put her Welsh-born son on the throne of England.
I pause – is that sentiment true for us or anyone in our time? Is it true for ourselves…both about what we hear God tell us, and how we speak to him?
Margaret’s favour-currying is also about being seen to be outwardly pious, and that meant endowing 2 Cambridge colleges – Christ’s and St John’s. Her symbols of mythical yales and portcullis crown both gatehouses to this day. But being a founder and patron does not make you more holy – it’s lucrative and name-making. She was perhaps also trying to ensure that her soul went quickly to heaven. (We’ll be thinking of the inbetween period via a TV show soon).
Thus The White Queen ends with Henry VII becoming king and the start of the Tudor dynasty – but there’s little of what Henry himself was like. In exile for much of his life, the boy is groomed towards the throne and to the hand of Elizabeth of York, thus ending the Wars of the Roses by uniting the belligerent houses. But this misses the point of marriage and shows another corruption – that a legal contract was the way to create partnerships and heal the wounds of a divided nation.
The 2003 miniseries Henry VIII with Ray Winstone begins with his father is on his deathbed; he has few lines. He tells younger Henry to fulfil one wish: bear a son, literally imprinting on the heir apparent. It drives the whole story, yet we do not see the elder Henry again.
The Tudors TV show with Jonathan Rhys Meyers didn’t show Henry senior at all; despite the title, a generation was skipped. I do not recall the first Tudor in the various other Henry VIII screen offerings. Henry VII, along with his son Arthur, have usually left the world before these stories start.
So what have we missed?
When Henry VII is discussed, in documentaries and history sites, the focus is on 3 questions:
1) Did he have a right to the throne?
2) Were his policies shrewd?
3) What were his battle techniques at Bosworth Field, where he killed Richard III?
These are not matters that I wish to take on in any detail here, for my focus is always spiritual. But, in passing:
It’s often pointed out that Margaret’s claim to the throne (let’s be honest, it was Lady Beaufort’s) was stupendous: several would have to die (they did) before Henry Tudor, son of Edmund son of Owen, could become king. The Tudor claim is tenuous, for there were living Plantagents. Taking the throne in battle is very old style – cf Macbeth of four centuries earlier. Now it was supposed to be passed by birth…except where there’s leeway and interpretation in the family tree.
Either way, the populace had no say in who their sovereign ruler was, except to deny popular support.
I am told by David Starkey and Thomas Penn that what Henry VII did when he failed to gain support created him a tyrant. The latter calls the reign and man ‘dark and chilling…England’s most sinister monarch’. Henry held fines over his subjects, huge unpayable fines that he didn’t even call in….he just liked the power that the threat hanging over them gave. He mostly convened parliament to up taxes for war. He made his second son a recluse who couldn’t be accessed, save by his father’s permission. He abused the law unlawfully, taking power and autonomy and dissent away.
Henry VII is named as paranoid, miserly, and the starter of the longrunning and effective Tudor propaganda machine, creating Richard III as hateful and hideous – and parading him dead and naked through Leicester, dumping his body in a church not fit for a king; he got rid of as many of who might claim his throne as he could (Henry VIII finished off the rest, such as Buckingham). It’s also thought that it’s he who dispatched the Princes In The Tower – they would have been equally inconvenient to Henry as to Richard – but blamed it on the outgoing king.
We could say that cruelty and tyranny ran in the family.
I also see that Henry’s style of controlling his subjects is much like the mediaeval church’s way on behalf of God. It’s a theology that’s continued in some circles; this time, the fine is eternal damnation, and the debt is of sin and gratitude for God’s mercy through Christ’s passion.
I am not aware of anything that commends Henry VII, even if his dynastic marriage was happy.
I can say that this was not how to lead; and it’s a style that, as we see a new world emerging, needs never to return.
Music – I shall reveal what in a minute
Henry VIII
I’ve had my head with Nessie and I thought: not such a switch – I’m still with monsters.
Henry VIII has become one of the people that I most hate in history, one of the most cruel and evil people I can think of.
I have long wondered why he wasn’t murdered. Surely he was more worthy of execution for treason against the people than Charles I? Surely someone would rise up and finish the man, in battle by assassination? He nearly died in jousting – why was he allowed to recover? He had chronic poor health – why did that not claim him earlier? But he reigned for nearly 40 years, crushing the attempts to overthrow him, turning on those once beloved and close.
I did find some satisfaction in the discovery of what happened to his huge smelling corpse. It was laid at Syon House. This country stately home was where 5th wife Katherine Howard – the teen he could have fathered twice – was imprisoned before her execution. This former priory witnessed another gory death on Henry’s whim as a monk the abbot refused to capitulate at the dissolution, and his remains were hung over the door as a warning to other recalcitrants. Henry’s body rested overnight at his palace (another he snatched, making around 60 – more than any other monarch) on the way to being buried at Windsor castle. (Note that although he’d been laid at state in Westminster, that he didn’t join his father in his fancy mausoleum in the national abbey and lie where his children would, but next to his supposed favourite wife and lifelong friend in a private chapel). Fittingly like Queen Jezebel of the Old Testament, Henry burst open under his own puss-y, gassy weight and was licked by dogs!
Even if apocryphal – please God, let it be true! – it shows a popular wish that this wicked man, who executed 72,000 (often for exercising freedom of conscience) got some deserts on this earthly plain.
I saw Henry VIII as an easy candidate for the hell that I don’t usually now believe in. Surely this kind of tyrant deserves eternal punishment…or at least, being annihilated, or held in a phantom zone (like the villains in Superman we’ll meet in Dec) far from God, and the rest of us enjoying Heaven.
But as I considered Henry VIII, I felt God say: he’s with me. (Did I hear right, Lord?) Surely not, I said. This is not the kind of person I wish to spend eternity with. Neale Donald Walsch said in his Conversations With God that Hitler was in heaven. That was staggering. I see Bluff King Hal on a par. I will say that Neale’s extraordinary statement needs some unpacking and justifying, but it’s a single line after about 20 pages about what hell is not. God has no need or reason to continually harm us in the next world. I thought that he went on (in another book) to explain that Hitler fulfilled some kind of purpose and soul contract, which still doesn’t sit well with me and it certainly does not excuse nor absolve.
What purpose can Henry have served?
As an ecumenical nonconformist, I don’t even see that he brought in the true faith. It can’t be very true if he did so much harm to others who didn’t share it. He was, rather perversely, a lifelong Catholic, just preferring his own head at the top to the Pope’s. His act of 1539 made his stance clear. The reformation was about getting Henry what he wanted – power and a woman.
The 1972 Keith Michell film has Henry not reply to the priest’s final question: do you die in faith?
Did he truly have one?
Henry’s behaviour seems far from what we’d consider as Christian…abuse of every kind, every major sin…
So what could garner Henry an eternal reward other than the great lake of fire?
I realise that this view is common but not universal.
I also realise that my wish says something about me – a need for comeuppance and a belief in punishment.
The tagline for the 2000s TV series The Tudors by Michael Hirst said: ‘it’s great to be king’. Rather than seeing Henry VIII as a disgusting man – note no king has yet used that name again since – they wanted to explore what you’d do with all that power. I know that some people do admire and kind of like him, and yet, seeing him on the par that I do, I cannot understand it, and found it alarming.
However, I was reminded/informed of three facets about Henry. One, that he was a musician; you just heard his greatest hits, as selected and brought to you by Historic Royal Palaces, who care for his most famous home – Hampton Court. (I do rather like his building tastes, as much as I judge his elitist opulence). I listened to a longer collection of his songs and noted that they all seemed secular. (Can anyone find me a religious song?). Whether you personally are touched by and impressed by this music, I will note that he was a composer and musician, and that may suggest some taste and sensitivity; and that my opinion of it has been jaded by others (Joanna Denny, Anne of The 1000 Days).
Second was a surprise: Henry’s Herbalist Charter. In over 20 years of Tudor interest, and as many in alternative medicine, this has not come to my attention before. When seeking proof (I do like to back things up), I was struck by a further two things. One was that some sites ignored Henry’s support of herbalists and that he allegedly created the need for being licensed and the Royal College of Physicians, making medicine about science and not superstition. Secondly, that this Herbalists’ Charter is also known as the Quacks’ Charter and that serious sounding sites call it thus. But what the herbalists say is that Henry VIII protected them, to this day. The charter states that some are abusing the courts to stop other genuine healers from practising – still true. This is forbidden and the right to use medicinal herbs is preserved, without needing permission of others (like those physicians et al.) Henry had plenty of need of medicine and it seems that he was interested in herbs, and had done something for the plebs – motive unclear. I was told it was a sign that he cared about the people; another said that the peasants weren’t getting medical care and thus were unable to work and this affected the country’s food supply. But the charter was a different facet of this man.
The third was recalling Ray Winstone’s portrayal; my response and what Ray said on the DVD extras. Ray is my favourite Henry, and he alone has allowed me to feel pity, and at least once, to cry for him. I felt for his wrangling over biblical verses that seemed to condemn him; and sometimes that he was frustrated, unloved, betrayed, manipulated and lonely. (Ha! I want to say). Ray saw Henry as complex; like Michael Hirst’s earlier essay on the British Borgias Elizabeth (1998), they began with ‘the man’ [Cockney voice] and worked outwards. Ray said that his playing a historic king wasn’t out of character for one we’re used to seeing in gangster roles, for Ray’s Henry is a gangster (mine too). The difference, quoth Ray, is that the king makes the rules, whilst gangsters break them. But this miniseries penned by Peter Morgan recalls that Henry can be fascinating because he’s this multifaceted mix of a monarch. It seems that this is a draw for those who study him, who like to consider the question: how did a good king turn so rotten?
It’s not a question that I’m going to consider tonight, although I will just query the supposition that Henry started well.
I might want to posit, but not answer: is anyone bad to the core and beyond saving?
Is there any aspect of Henry’s life which we might show compassion for?
I also recall surprising myself that I considered the notion that Henry and Anne Boleyn may have been twin flames, and a parallel with a more modern royal with a similar name and look…
I would like to shift into the notion of soul contracts and growth.
Henry seemed to live out various marital permutations and soul contracts – in one lifetime!
What was he trying to achieve?
I want to sit with that…think of what I summarised from my Lent reflections about the relationship with each wife and the kind of God they believed in.
Henry VIII is for me the embodiment of the worst in men: something he shares with Mr Rochester in Jane Eyre. (You’ll be unsurprised to know that I subverted that novel as part of my own…might Henry be up next?). I wrote an essay for my MA: Jane Eyre as Spiritual Autobiography. I realised that the real person developing, especially spiritually in Bronte’s novel, is Rochester. What is Henry’s development – is it downhill? Was there a wrinkle upwards during Anne Boleyn? And the Herbalist’s Charter?
What was he the catalyst of?
I wondered what Henry’s reign shows about kingship, spiritual and temporal:
No other gods before me
A God to placate with terms of his making, sometimes arcane and also capricious
A God who will bestow favour if he’s minded, by serving him (in the bedroom or battle field)
A God who hangs fear of punishment and unpayable debt over you – like Henry VII
A God who values gifts and flattery
A God who values conformity
A God who will have no rivals – How like Herod those Henrys were (it’s Magi season)
A God with a massive ego that needs stoking constantly
A God who knows little about real love
A God who’s a distant parent, and who can change who his favourite is
A God who’s basically misogynistic
A God who has a clear hierarchy – only the select get access to his inner chamber
Like Job’s God, Henry’s God can take and give immediately, no appeal
Henry’s a man who assumes his divine right to rule and his extra closeness to God by birthright
This is all far from who I consider the real God; this feels like an undergod, falsely taking the role and hiding behind a curtain with a megaphone (we might be thinking about that film this year).
As we come close to the Chinese new year as well as the Between The Stools new year, I would like to think of the world as coming towards the end of its hitherto tyranny and inequality. The massive breakdown continues. I hope that we see both these Henrys as leaders we want no more of, on any level. I hope we’re moving – like JF Kennedy allegedly did – away from the hawkish warmongering and creation of superpowers to a different kind of power. Henry VIII attempted a peace treaty with a long term adversary. Let us see more of that as a solution, instead of violence and landgrabbing. Let us not admire ruthlessness or see it as a necessity to survive.
I’ve two brief points to make before rounding off with some music and closing remarks.
One, is that I see this time as the end of defining our relationship with God in legal terms. It was there in early Old Testament Job, in Paul’s New Testament writings, and it is still there at the Reformation. I am still working on a law piece, but I see that writ has hitherto had too much power and is about abusing power. God is not interested in the kind of legally guilt-free ‘righteousness’ that can be credited to us like components towards a certificate. God is not impressed by the size of your army, your palace, your treasury. He’s not interested in prowess and jewels. And he’s not interested in your attempts at immortality (as per Lord Mountjoy quote early in Henry VIII’s reign) and bartering for a better deal posthumously.
God does not lead a world rooted in fear, like the Tudors. He doesn’t want your allegiance on pain of punishment or being legally owned or beholden. His gift is not about birthright, nor something that can be snatched in battle nor the stroke of a sneaky lawyer’s pen.
So finally: what could Henry’s role – both of them – have been? Were they pawns of higher darker forces? What did they help shape? What might their soul contract have been? What was their destiny? What was their role in the overall human journey?
I wonder if they completed what their souls set out to. We can learn from them how not to be.
They may have begun the modern era, the English Renaissance, but what did they really birth?
On the cusp of another such time, what can we birth instead?
Whilst you ponder, I’m going to play some music, which are both special favourites of mine. It may surprise, for it’s clearly a pair of pieces that are anachronistic to these 15th and 16th century men, yet these close two films about the Tudors. They were first used at the end of Shekhar Kapur’s Elizabeth, and the Winstone Henry VIII followed suit. Bookending with his own deathbed, the TV show tried to show that Henry had learned something since his father’s death 38 years earlier. His last words to his son and heir were not what he had hotheadedly promised his own father; not about the battlefield glory of his namesake (Henry V), not about full coffers and firm rule… I don’t know that the real Henry VIII had learned any of this. but I like to think that a modern audience wants Henry to have made some kind of positive progress.
Nimrod by Elgar is about a briefly mentioned mighty hunter in Genesis – perhaps the Tudors would like to consider themselves as such. However, Nimrod is also connected to the Illuminati and the beginning of a corrupt world that needed salvation.
The last piece is the introit to Mozart’s Requiem. And this is a requiem to our History year – might we have another some time? – and to this British brutish family that ended in March 1603, to the religious persecution and ‘accept my rule and beliefs or die’ that sadly did not end with them. I hope too that it is a requiem to a world of fear, violence, inequality, misogyny and abuse, of territorial grabbing and acquisition, persons who don’t know how to feel or say sorry or that they are wrong.
I make no apology for the lack of historical sources in this – I also have a requiem for putting empiricism and academia before all else. The film mentions are meant to lead into our new year, and bookend what I said last February and beyond about modes of knowing and real truth.
Do let me know what you thought of the History Year and I may be open to suggestion about films for this year. I’m curating a list. You’ll be hearing from me in Lent, but we’ll definitely meet on Easter Sunday which is the 31st March, and a special film anniversary. (It’s clock change time).
I send blessings to you all as we enter a new era. Do reach out to me, Elspeth, on betweenthestools@hotmail.co.uk
Here are Elgar and Mozart. Thank you for joining me. Good night!
(Further dates and themes to be posted anon – I’m in a time of flux)